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Was that how it's spelt? God I hated those "guns"
If you don't mind, I'm reading this entire comic about "Dune" as a voiceover.
So, so many voiceovers...
Note from Scott: He will know your ways as if born to them.
What about After Earth? That had Will Smith, and it looked big-budget to me.
I wonder. I first read "Dune" when at about twelve years old or so, and thought it was the most wonderful book ever. When I re-read it as an adult, it seemed mediocre, "very" mediocre, if that isn't an oxymoron.
If somehow I'd been able to see the movie when I was twelve, would I have loved it as much as the book?
Don't worry, Rick, he wasn't insulting you in the third panel. Granted, it isn't exactly a compliment either.
Some people say that the director's cut was much better, filling in a lot of things that were cut out of the original release.
I'll just take "some people's" word on that.
I haven't read DUNE. A biologist friend who read it complained that the book was about a planet that made no sense in terms of trophic levels, ecological functioning, biodiversity, etc. So I decided I'd better not read it, or I'd be griping too:-).
Dune still has the monumental achievement of featuring Patrick Stewart firing a space rifle while holding a Pug in his arms.
Panel 3 is a triumph. Congratulations!
You should be made the great director of a fantastic cast and talented crew on a big-budget movie. You couldn't do worse!
Dune surely proved, once and for all, that Patrick Stewart was just not cut out for SF.
There is no director's cut. David Lynch was furious at what was done to his film when it was aired on television, making it about 40 minutes longer. This pan and scan version included many unfinished scenes which he had chosen to cut, scenes which had no visual or sound effects or even music. It also had a long, prattling narrative tacked onto the beginning with concept art that totally didn't match the films visuals. It's painful to watch, and there are only a few tidbits that should be in a DVD special feature, like Gurney Halleck playing his lute. (We are talking about the 1984 film, right?)
Oh, they still make Dunes, Battlefield Earth, for example. :P
Well, maybe that one doesn't count. Two B-list actors does not a misguided epic make. Let's see...2012? Godzilla? Essentially anything Roland and Emmerich have been involved with?
I'm sure Jodorowsky's version would have been spectacular.Also: Does the TV Mini-series not count? It won 2 primetime Emmys!
Dune is a brilliant movie for me. Visually, it's yet pretty much unmatched in term of creativity and uniqueness of the design. It's well known that it was made for 4h format and that in the middle of the shooting producers imposed to Lynch to go back to 2h (which kind of explain it all). I haven't seen it in a while but I'd spontaneously rate it in my top 5 sci fi movie.
Oh, I love that film. Don't think it's bad at all.Sure, it's a bit of melodramatic at times, but that I can live with.I think the viual effects are nice, at times stunning. The characters are well done; especially the costumes give a vibe of exquisite 'otherness' often lacking from space opera.I like how strange the society is, the baffeling culture. It's like staring at something human but still absolutely alien. Like it should be.
Not enough attention is paid to trophic levels in movies nowadays...
A few years ago, I sat with the intent to read the entire series of Dune books, even the ones written by Herbert's son. I couldn't get through them all. I got as far as <U>God: Emperor of Dune</U> and gave up. My review of it on Facebook was something like "Ancient fat worm falls in love, commits suicide." A friend of mine replied that the Dune books were somewhat homeopathic in nature: any goodness in the first one became more and more dilute in each following one.
I had a friend in college who loved Dune, and it probably was the Director's Cut. I thought it was great too, but only as a tranquilizer. All I can recall is four hours of sand and tedium, as I've apparently mentally blocked out the rest. Also there might have been a giant worm.
I think the main problem with Dune was that it had too much plot to tell in the available time. They don't make movies like that anymore, because movies now have 1-sentence plot lines. Or they are part of a trilogy. Maybe it's time for a remake?
It's a great movie! It's just a few hours short ;)
Dune is an awesome failure, operatic even. The dialogue is a fantastic example of awesome language that noone speaks, spoken in ways that noone employs. Who cares what Lynch thinks of the various cuts? This film should have proven that noone should value his opinion about any film, anywhere, for any reason.
They do, btw, still make "Dune"s. The Avengers (actually, the entire genre of modern Cape Opera), for example. The difference is that instead of being awful in awesome ways, they're merely awful in tedious, horrid ways.
Dune dune dune-duuuuuuuuuuuuuune.Dune dune dune-duuuuuuuuuuuuuune.
That's how Toto gets it done.
What is a "noone"? Some esoteric reference to Dune?
The newer Dune (2000) TV Miniseries is excellent. And the Children of Dune (2003) TV Miniseries was great, too. If you like Dune (1984) and don't want to be ridiculed in the manner you deserve, you should upgrade to the newer films, which have better actors, better direction, better budgets (or primarily just newer technology). The only possible down side is that the new Dune and Children of Dune TV miniseries run about 9 hours in total.
Of course... I have never actually seen a David Lunch film that was anything but a disaster. I am utterly befuddled by people who speak highly of him.
What we need now is Rick's riposte to Scott, explaining why a different terrible yet strangely impressive sci-fi movie is a neglected masterpiece, and better than "Dune". How about Tobe Hooper's immortal classic "Lifeforce"? Patrick Stewart's in that too! He sure can pick 'em! If you watch "Battlefield Earth" really closely, you can probably spot him peeking out from behind a tree or something.
The Advice Must Flow
First and foremost, neither "Dune" the movie or the novel are that bad - those who think so are probably uncouth, uncultured philistines who should go back to watching "The Fast and the Furious" and reading Dan Brown novels.
Point the second, movies with all the right stuff that are mistakes are still made fairly regularly - the lesson obviously didn't get learned.
All I remember about Dune is that I saw more of Sting than I ever wanted to see. To this day, I drink tons of wine in the hopes of murdering the brain cell that this image is stored on!
When I read Panel 4 I immediately thought of my reaction after seeing the Samuel Jackson version of Shaft ~ EVERYTHING was great, from director, to actors, to stunts, EXCEPT the actual script. They did the best they could with what they had and it sadly wasn't enough to make a good movie.
Now, if you want a really horrible movie with an incredible cast, you don't have to look further than "Family Business." Starring Sean Connery, Dustin Hoffman, and Matthew Broderick. And directed by Sidney Lumet.
By my best calculations (i.e., I pulled the numbers out of my butt just now), the stink generated by the movie should be detectable from Betegeuse.
I enjoy and regularly re-read all the Dune novels (by Frank Herbert, the ones by his kid are not Dune, and only barely novels). I think the two attempts to put Dune on film show that it is actually unfilmable. The 1984 movie and the Sci-Fi miniseries are both pretty much unwatchable IMHO.
Between Thufir's eyebrows and the Reverend Mother outfits, it doesn't matter what scenes are included or left out.
I'll admit that God Emperor is the hardest one to get through.
Now this makes me want to go re-watch the movie! I'm a terrible judge of movies.I am terribly disappointed that no one here has professed a love of the board game. I love playing Dune!*wanders off to find a group to play and watch Dune at the same time*
Counter example: Waterworld
I'm another person who actually likes Dune..
I've never seen any convincing evidence that Lynch is actually a great director. I've seen considerable evidence that he's a high-concept director, which isn't the same thing at all. I'll readily say the same about Kubrick; Lynch merely likes to delve way further into WTF territory. I've never heard of David Lynch making a great movie; I've heard of him making a great David Lynch movie. If I'm looking for great directors I turn to John Ford, Alfred Hitchcock, and of course John Landis.
Dune is one of those movies that you either love, because of the sense of superiority you feel over those who "don't get it," or hate, because of the sense of normality you feel when you are forced to talk to people who tell you that you "don't get it."
I don't know about the movie (too many years since I saw that one) but the Dune book is absolutely brilliant. Not in the "science fiction as an excuse for mindless adventure" way, of course: but as a book that, every couple of pages, makes you stop for a few seconds and say to yourself "interesting idea... I'll think about this!".
Bart, in reference to seeing Sting in his space undies: at least he was wearing that much. Whatever you do, don't EVER watch David Bowie's "The Man Who Fell to Earth", unless you have some bizarre desire to see his space johnson.
scgvlmike, you missed a chance to make a joke about "space junk." I am disappoint.
I am packing this comic for the crossing!
Dune the board game is awesome! I played the game for years without ever reading the books or watching the movies (I was forewarned). The game gives you all the cool Herbert concepts while sending friends and family to the tanks. Alas, my tattered 35 year old copy of the game was lost in a recent flood ... which is more than a little ironic.