A small note: gender is a word referring to a social role, not to a biological sex. People tend to use it as a less loaded term for sex, but it's not, really.
Daniel; Eh, only to a psychologist. Really, they identify like 6 sexes and many more genders, but their definition is so far from what the average folk say, it's like they really should of just used totally different words. In the vernacular, gender means sex.
The man in the shower might scream, if he thought the woman dressed like an old man actually was an old man. But, as he realized it was a woman might just say, "kinky."
First off - starting with the first instruction I was LMAF all the way through.
Secondly - To be far less funny and significantly more accurate, the first panel instruction should be, "Start slowly and carefully, like you're walking on thin ice, because you are if you are a man".
According to the wikipedia (which as we all know is a uncorruptible source of information and should be totally trusted), gender is a perfectly cromulent usage of the word gender to describe the biological sexes.
Daniel Lowe: "A small note: gender is a word referring to a social role, not to a biological sex. People tend to use it as a less loaded term for sex, but it's not, really."
Not so much anymore, really. This started getting common in the 1950's with John Money's work but as time has gone on, the two have become indistinguishable, even in serious academic work. In case you're wondering, here's a study of about 30 million academic articles from 1945 to 2001 which charts the rise and decline of a separation between gender and sex:
Ok, here's me jumping into today's Basic Instructions Academic Debate: Although it is clear that usage of the term "gender" has become, in common speak, interchangeable with the term "sex", it still is a good thing to separate the two, and use them adequately.
That being said, it is most times hard to not use them adequately, since differences between men and women (and any other genders) that we actually care about have everything to do with gender, not with sex. It is a difference in our points of view, not my penis and your vagina, which usually are the factor that make us disagree on most issues.
So Scott is completely right in using "gender", since really, discussing differences on a purely sexual level would not make for such interesting (and possible face-palming) conversations.
@BWM, Sean, etc: Gender and Sex are still used as different terms, primarily by the GLBT community. For people whose gender and sex aren't necessarily the same, the difference is fairly important.
The difference between men and women marriage is not what Jenkins said, it is this: Women marry men hoping they will change, and men marry women hoping they will never change. Both are inevitablty disappointed.
I disagree with panel two. There are a few sane practical women who buy houses they can aford and then try to fix them up. But most women only want houses they can't afford, are never satisfied with the ones they get, and are so clueless about how to fix them up that they end up burning them down for the insurance money. Or else losing them to forclosure.
Wow....I think I set a new personal record for strechting a metaphor....
Tony D - actually, I'm pretty sure you're the one that's about to start a fight.
re: gender vs sex. It is DEFINITELY important in the LGBT(QIA[T2QI]) community to distinguish the two. Ignorance about the differences between these words can be very hurtful, even if there was never any malevolent intent. However, from a strictly biological point of view, without social context, you can STILL argue for a difference between gender and sex. And in fact, there are many different types of sex. You could be genetically male but developmentally and physiologically female, or genetically and developmentally male but physiologically female. Plus, you could be intersexed. In terms of the comic, using "gender" is totally correct, because the comic is talking about social behaviours of women and men instead of the biological differences between males and females.
It's times like this I wish there were separate comment sections for grammar and content so I could just ignore the grammar section. Of course if you were to set that up (and I don't expect you), your first BI could be on how to distinguish between grammar and content. :)
Reader Comments (27)
Those last words from the reverse Psycho are gold!
BOOSH!!!! HILARIOUS AS ALWAYS
I've had some pretty crazy EXs too, scott.
Scott? Is it really fare to use the Psycho movie defense?
Although, I do think your last words in panel 4 are a great
response.
Thank you for the fight you're about to start.
"Its an evolutionary thing. Smaller feet allow women to stand closer to the stove."
A small note: gender is a word referring to a social role, not to a biological sex. People tend to use it as a less loaded term for sex, but it's not, really.
Daniel; Eh, only to a psychologist. Really, they identify like 6 sexes and many more genders, but their definition is so far from what the average folk say, it's like they really should of just used totally different words. In the vernacular, gender means sex.
Panel 2. So harsh... :-)
The man in the shower might scream, if he thought the woman dressed like an old man actually was an old man. But, as he realized it was a woman might just say, "kinky."
Well played, Scott, well played. You avoided being derogatory and condescending.
Panel 3 is gold.
I have heard the world's top assassins are women and I have always believed it.
Each panel is hilarious all on its own. It's like four family circuses pushed together except funny.
First off - starting with the first instruction I was LMAF all the way through.
Secondly - To be far less funny and significantly more accurate, the first panel instruction should be, "Start slowly and carefully, like you're walking on thin ice, because you are if you are a man".
to Daniel Lowe
According to the wikipedia (which as we all know is a uncorruptible source of information and should be totally trusted), gender is a perfectly cromulent usage of the word gender to describe the biological sexes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
Daniel Lowe: "A small note: gender is a word referring to a social role, not to a biological sex. People tend to use it as a less loaded term for sex, but it's not, really."
Not so much anymore, really. This started getting common in the 1950's with John Money's work but as time has gone on, the two have become indistinguishable, even in serious academic work. In case you're wondering, here's a study of about 30 million academic articles from 1945 to 2001 which charts the rise and decline of a separation between gender and sex:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/l731360841438114/
I do believe that for me, any lingering terror associated with that shower scene is now completely gone.
Ok, here's me jumping into today's Basic Instructions Academic Debate:
Although it is clear that usage of the term "gender" has become, in common speak, interchangeable with the term "sex", it still is a good thing to separate the two, and use them adequately.
That being said, it is most times hard to not use them adequately, since differences between men and women (and any other genders) that we actually care about have everything to do with gender, not with sex. It is a difference in our points of view, not my penis and your vagina, which usually are the factor that make us disagree on most issues.
So Scott is completely right in using "gender", since really, discussing differences on a purely sexual level would not make for such interesting (and possible face-palming) conversations.
@BWM, Sean, etc: Gender and Sex are still used as different terms, primarily by the GLBT community. For people whose gender and sex aren't necessarily the same, the difference is fairly important.
The difference between men and women marriage is not what Jenkins said, it is this: Women marry men hoping they will change, and men marry women hoping they will never change. Both are inevitablty disappointed.
You're welcome.
i thought the etymology discussion was last week?
--roger
I disagree with panel two. There are a few sane practical women who buy houses they can aford and then try to fix them up. But most women only want houses they can't afford, are never satisfied with the ones they get, and are so clueless about how to fix them up that they end up burning them down for the insurance money. Or else losing them to forclosure.
Wow....I think I set a new personal record for strechting a metaphor....
Your use of the word cromulent embiggens us all.
Cromulent. That's a great word, it embiggens this discussion.
Tony D - actually, I'm pretty sure you're the one that's about to start a fight.
re: gender vs sex. It is DEFINITELY important in the LGBT(QIA[T2QI]) community to distinguish the two. Ignorance about the differences between these words can be very hurtful, even if there was never any malevolent intent. However, from a strictly biological point of view, without social context, you can STILL argue for a difference between gender and sex. And in fact, there are many different types of sex. You could be genetically male but developmentally and physiologically female, or genetically and developmentally male but physiologically female. Plus, you could be intersexed. In terms of the comic, using "gender" is totally correct, because the comic is talking about social behaviours of women and men instead of the biological differences between males and females.
It's times like this I wish there were separate comment sections for grammar and content so I could just ignore the grammar section. Of course if you were to set that up (and I don't expect you), your first BI could be on how to distinguish between grammar and content. :)
The words: “oh so that’s what you’re into. That’s cool” are making reference to the murdering thing or the “other” thing?