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The Oatmeal discussed the phenomenon of "murder cats":
Wow. Two posts demonstrating the essential correct nature of panel 4.
@A Non-E Mouse They made a computer model to come up with that number, and it's hardly authoritative--they can't even place the bird population more accurately than "10 to 20 billion." If we use their most pessimistic estimates, that means that cats are killing a quarter of all birds in the US every year. You'll have to forgive me for not believing their numbers.
Hmmm... explains why I like fish, I guess. Also, they are just so darn cute.
I also like dogs. Cats, I can take or leave - mostly leave.
Dogs are nice to visit, but I prefer the low-maintenance nature of cats. But one of mine is the "always wants attention" types. If only she would learn that the small humans in the house would be glad to give her all the attention she can handle... *muahaha*
Like seemingly every other Basic Instructions fan, I'm terribly allergic to cats. Plus, I'm a fan of tiny rodent critters (I hand-feed the squirrels in my yard, and they've started to let me pet them), so I tend to block for mice & thus give hungry hunting cats the stink-eye.
Dogs are totally my canine homeboys, though. I'd sell out you pesky humans in a moment if they asked me to!
I adore kitties, and I have 2. I agree with Scott's reason - I don't have to walk my cats, and they don't need constant attention. My cats are indoor only, but as far as the bird population is concerned, if cats can catch animals that fly, maybe they're just weeding out the less intelligent birds.
I like dogs too, but they do require more attention and time.
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us, but pigs treat us as equals.
From Mutt's, cat & dog about humansThe dog: "they food me, they host me, they pet me, they must be gods"The cat: "they food me, they host me, they pet me, I must be god"
@Sandy Peterson: I'd say there were more than 2 posts that fit panel 4's description. There sure are a lot of very insecure folks out there in the cyber world!
I'm a dog lover (who likes cats too) with a cat loving sister & aunt, so listening to folks try & justify their own self-loathing by screaming "cat hate" is sickly amusing to me.
It confirms my belief that most animals make much better friends than people do.
I like cats, but I'm allergic to them. I want to get a bald cat, but the rest of my family absolutely forbids it (on the grounds that bald cats apparently resemble gremlins.)
Now for the interesting bit: Cats apparently consider eye contact to be a threat, and avoiding eye contact to be a sign of friendship. This is why they always go for the person that doesn't like cats - because they don't make eye contact.
How to train a cat:"Here is your litter and your food and water. Also, here is some unexpected water, if you are bad."DONE
How to train a dog:"No, HERE is where you poop! NO! HERE! NO! DON'T EAT THAT, That's people food! No! DOWN! Stop jumping on me! ENOUGH BARKING! NO! POOP GOES OUTSIDE! PEOPLE FOOD!! You PEED on me?! SHUT!!! UP!!!"Repeat ad nauseum.
I love cats, but I'm also a conservationist with friends in conservation biology. Cats really are causing serious problems for some wildlife species. The current cover of BIOSCIENCE has a photo of a cat with a bird in its mouth to illustrate the cover research paper on feral cats that have caused endemic species extinctions on some islands (and will cause more extinctions if they are not eradicated). Feral cats are also a big problem for ground-nesting grassland birds in some parts of North America, and many grassland birds are already in serious continental decline. The cat/wildlife problem is real.
much of the discussion is ludicrous. It is not so much how one "feels" about cats as it is a matter of practicality. Anywhere you live, you have two choices: You can have a cat or you can have rodents. I, for one, prefer to have cats as they carry less disease (especially if taken to the vet). If you chose rodents, you can take them to the vet, too. Unfortunately, first you have to catch them (all of them), then get them (all of them) to the vet. You have to do this for every succeeding generation (and they multiply rapidly), so you could quickly devote every waking moment to catching and escorting all your rodent "friends" to the vet. It is simpler to get a cat and let the cat deal with the problem....rodents know enough to go elsewhere when they smell cat and at our house, they smell cat.
I like cats. If you pet them right, they are really affectionate and follow you around the house and yard, but when you're gone, they nap. You don't need to exercise them, but they'll entertain you by chasing a sock on a string any time you want.The study that stated that cats kill billions of birds annually was extrapolated from small samples. If they actually did kill the species listed in the numbers listed, those species would be extinct, but most are stable, and the rest are losing habitat. Closer inspection determined that cats, like most predators, kill the weakest and sickest specimens of any bird species because they are easy targets. Since these rarely breed, cats have little effect on the population. Want to save a wild bird?Turn off your outside lights at night, and close your damn curtains.
'No. I suspect that they're mocking me.' I kinda love this line.
No use arguing with a dyed in the wool cat hater. From now on, when I meet one, I'll think "just like Jenkins", and smile patronizingly.
I like cats, grew up with them, think I understand them. They do need attention, but like your human friends, they also go off and do their own thing for a while. Dogs are nice enough, I just wouldn't want to live with one.
We had one cat who, in her prime, was bringing home a couple of dead birds a week in the warmer months. She always wanted to bring the corpses inside. We were never sure if she wanted to give them to us, or if she just figured that she had the right to bring her stuff into her house. In any case, she, and the other less deadly cats, failed to deplete the local bird population noticeably.
@NysssaHow would cat-haters come to like cats by doing the least enjoyable part of cat ownership?
Frankly, I don't hate cats, I just don't see the point in them. I always love cat people who adore their little friends, but can't even tell me when they last SAW the cat. Some cats are real cool though, almost like dogs, just like some dogs are as indifferent as cats. But I like my canine friends who want to come with me to visit people, or take walks, or whatever, not just lie around and come visit 5 minutes a day.
I've started a service for people who like cats, but are allergic to them. Basically you put a box in your kitchen and I poop in it.
Ellendra, how does your cat bring you live rabbits without hurting them? That sounds like an amazing trick! Gregory Bogo-something-or-other: thank you for sharing that information. I feel like we violated HIPAA together, which is a major turn on for me.
I love my cat, but I don't let him outside unsupervised - our relationship is kind of parent to permanently-grounded-teenager. He whines and begs to go out, I say "fine, but I come with you", he says "I'd rather lay on the beanbag and sulk until dinner". I support permitting Quolls to be kept as pets instead of cats (at least within Australia) - diurnal, toilet-trainable, bond well with people, really cute, and have razor-sharp teeth. Just like a cat, but better!
I've got an... interesting problem in regards to cats.
I love cats, but I'm allergic to them. I have no choice but to avoid them like the plague.
If you were me, you would find this heartbreaking. Actually, probably not; I've lived with it so long, I've become all but indifferent to the issue over the years.
I can relate with Turnabout Akamia, Lydia, and the others who posted about being allergic to cats. I myself would love to have a cat - if only because where I live is no good place for a dog whereas it'd be fine for a cat. Even occasional cuddles with a cat would be better than none at all, and i miss having something furry to cuddle with. Rodents and rabbits however aren't interesting to me as pets; no personality (whereas imo at least cats (and dogs) have lots of personality), too skittish, and too prone to nasty diseases.
I don't hate cats per se...it's just that I cannot eat a whole one!
@fabur I suspect that your mother hating cats and cats liking your mother are linked. Feline etiquette tends to differ from human in counterintuitive ways, and her nonverbal signals may be getting horribly mistranslated. For instance, deliberate eye contact avoidance in humans has a lot of mostly negative meanings, but in small mammals it typically means, "Aww, you don't need my supervision. You're fine." So when she's avoiding them, they might just think she's being courteous and giving them space or something. Running toward them flailing her limbs might communicate her dislike more effectively./ramble
"God has a hard-on for cats..."
I really like cats, mostly because they are generally independent. I feel like when a cat seems to like and want to be around you, it means more (even if imaginary lol), as opposed to dogs that usually seem to like about anyone blindly. Most cats I know also don't smell bad, while many dogs (especially house dogs) seem to be smelly/need to be washed fairly often.I don't really want to own either though, heheh.
I know more dogs than cats but I like being around both. We can't really have either since there are some allergies... The hair getting everywhere is annoying too.
That's why certain reptiles are great. I have a bearded dragon. They're awesome. I... Cannot overstate how great they are. They're curious - they will watch you if you approach them, and ours has to check out anything that changes around the house. They're generally pretty docile and happy to be held.
Plus, they look cool, haha.
Cat lovers will *also* say the same thing, that cats think they're "better than us," but they say it with a fawning, grovelling air.
"Cats have staff," they simper.
Cats rule, Dogs drool, nuff said :)
"Is killing birds a bad thing?" Ask a Macho man who hates cats for following their natural instincts and hunting birds,yet has no qualms about standing out in a field at daybreak shooting helpless doves off of utility wires,and calling it "sport' Most men do not like cats because they can't control them,and it is a blow to their already over inflated ego. It could also explain why so many men abuse animals.
As someone who's allergic to cats, I can also attest to the fact that they are most definitely not harmful. Besides the watery eyes, sniffly nose, sore throat, and skin irritation, don't even get me started on what a cat scratch infection is like if you're allergic. I've been bitten by a rattlesnack and it healed faster.
I stay away from those little things like the plague.
I love cats, I like dogs a lot as well. I guess I really love most animals but no tarantulas or iguanas/ lizards. Cats are awesome tho. I had a cat that every time I got mad at this one stupid dog I had who was always destroying things all over my place he could sense the anger in my voice and would come and attach the dog whenever I was agry at him. Its truly remarkable that my cat knew what I was feeling but further more was coming to put the 50 lbs dog in check for making me mad.
I love most all animals. I've had at least one cat my whole life, also I had a dog at one point. We currently have 4 cats. Mostly rescues from varying unwanted situations. Mostly folks drop them off because they do not bother to spay or neuter any of their cats and are suddenly overrun with feline insanity. They don't ask to drop them off, they just do. Anyhow, I have 4. 2 females, 2 males and no kittens will come from these guys. I've read a lot here about cats' bird killing habits. I'm not going to say that mine don't do that, but I've seen more failed hunting attempts than successful ones. Usually if one gets a bird it is because that particular bird was either sick, injured or old. Survival of the fittest. (They never seem to eat any of the birds, just the rodents.) Moles, chipmunks, voles, various breeds of mice/rats, flying squirrels, frogs, toads, bats (from under the porch roof), dragonflies, moths and not very many rabbits (there are a lot of fox around for that). Occasionally they are wonderful and bring me a red squirrel (these guys get in the house walls and attic and create havoc). We have wildish, unwanted dogs around occasionally that tend to pack up and bother the deer. At least feral cats (mine have become pets over time), don't pack up together into gangs that harass.
Cat haters often feel the need to justify their hatred, this is usually when the songbird excuse is heard. These people couldn't tell a chaffinch from a sparrow, but they are very concerned about songbird mortality at the hands of their enemy, but not themselves as they are likely to shun modern measures to protect the environment such as recycling. The cat hater cares little for most birds in the order Passeriformes as it contains more than half of all bird species and covers a lot of birds they hate just as much if not more than the cat. So even if Major Tom has only been chowing down on magpies, the death toll will rise for songbirds because even though most don't like his raspy song, he is one too.
Not even started on the rodents...
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